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« on: November 18, 2009, 12:00:23 PM » |
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imagine...
you find your body ideal, it is what you always wanted. your chest is good, back , legs.. you name it.
Your arms are quite muscular, but not in perfect proportion with the rest of your body. Their not thick enough.
Ofcourse at this point you train every muscle group in your body. But if you want more emphasis on the arms, what is there to do? Your regular arm workouts don't "work" anymore. They are boring, and gaining strength doens't really work as it used to do. Then what do we do? Do scooby's killer workout for a while? (once a week) Or if that is too heavy, alternate between normal workout , and the next week killer workout, and repeat this (normal-shock-normal-shock)?
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the_wolf
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 12:02:45 PM » |
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Arm "thickness" has much to do with the size of the triceps (namely the long head), and the development of the brachialis. Increasing arm size is purely a matter of increasing overall lean mass. If your routine is boring, switch it up.  |
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 09:39:39 PM » |
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Arm "thickness" has much to do with the size of the triceps (namely the long head), and the development of the brachialis. Increasing arm size is purely a matter of increasing overall lean mass. If your routine is boring, switch it up. yes thats is true... the tricep is way bigger than bicep |
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 04:53:40 PM » |
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Arm "thickness" has much to do with the size of the triceps (namely the long head), and the development of the brachialis. Increasing arm size is purely a matter of increasing overall lean mass. If your routine is boring, switch it up. yes thats is true... the tricep is way bigger than bicep At least it should be. a lot of people work the biceps much more than the triceps. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 07:27:47 PM » |
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this was all covered in another post, i summarized what would have been a month long argument in about 4 lines of text. edit: here it is the bicep in the beginning should be stronger, because of it's use in everyday life. bicep use in your day- basically everything but going through the "push" side of doors tricep- well... i just put my 5lb computer down, that's their big workout today. now through training the tricep will be stronger because there are more muscle fibers. simplified. no more debate necessary.  topic closed.  you could argue it's an over simplification, but honestly i think that sums it up fairly well. |
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the_wolf
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 03:26:17 AM » |
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this was all covered in another post, i summarized what would have been a month long argument in about 4 lines of text. edit: here it is the bicep in the beginning should be stronger, because of it's use in everyday life. bicep use in your day- basically everything but going through the "push" side of doors tricep- well... i just put my 5lb computer down, that's their big workout today. now through training the tricep will be stronger because there are more muscle fibers. simplified. no more debate necessary. topic closed. you could argue it's an over simplification, but honestly i think that sums it up fairly well. Putting your computer down is a negative bicep exercise, and doesn't involve triceps at all. Triceps are used in everyday life as much as biceps are, and the only reason biceps, in the beginning, tend to be stronger is because people are misinformed and don't have a clue on how to work out so the only thing they do in their first year of training are bicep curls 20 times per week. That's not a simplification, it's wrong reasoning. Unless your job involves just a certain type of motion, then your entire upper body should be balanced in its weakness and underdevelopment, with no muscle group substantially stronger than its antagonist. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2009, 02:23:00 PM » |
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this was all covered in another post, i summarized what would have been a month long argument in about 4 lines of text. edit: here it is the bicep in the beginning should be stronger, because of it's use in everyday life. bicep use in your day- basically everything but going through the "push" side of doors tricep- well... i just put my 5lb computer down, that's their big workout today. now through training the tricep will be stronger because there are more muscle fibers. simplified. no more debate necessary. topic closed. you could argue it's an over simplification, but honestly i think that sums it up fairly well. Putting your computer down is a negative bicep exercise, and doesn't involve triceps at all. Triceps are used in everyday life as much as biceps are, and the only reason biceps, in the beginning, tend to be stronger is because people are misinformed and don't have a clue on how to work out so the only thing they do in their first year of training are bicep curls 20 times per week. That's not a simplification, it's wrong reasoning. Unless your job involves just a certain type of motion, then your entire upper body should be balanced in its weakness and underdevelopment, with no muscle group substantially stronger than its antagonist. karma ++!! |
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 10:15:52 PM » |
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mmm i was reaching across the couch when i did it, as for doing triceps in daily life: do you do skull crushers to pick things up? no. how do you pick things up? exactly as i do, it's either something like a curling type of motion, good mornings(bad idea i know), some kind of deadlift or squat
what are you doing that involves triceps? are your muscles flip-flopped?
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 01:48:27 AM » |
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mmm i was reaching across the couch when i did it, as for doing triceps in daily life: do you do skull crushers to pick things up? no. how do you pick things up? exactly as i do, it's either something like a curling type of motion, good mornings(bad idea i know), some kind of deadlift or squat
what are you doing that involves triceps? are your muscles flip-flopped?
You don't basically "curl" anything in your real life either - all of those are rows, combo front raise-curls etc., etc. Using triceps is evident whenever you push something, be it opening a door or pushing a button in the elevator. I think you don't realize one thing: If you can curl 1 kg, but french press "only" 0.5 kg, this is not an imbalance. Your bicep won't appear visually bigger/more developed than the tricep, your normal, everyday functioning won't be impeded and you won't have any health/joint related issues. On the other hand, if you can bench 100 kg but row only 50, that's a serious imbalance which leads to all of the above described problems. Do you find your chest to be more developed than your back in everyday life (again, I presume you not to be involved in a sport or having a job which promotes such imbalances)? Even if you do, you're seriously deluding yourself, as both of these bodyparts are underdeveloped, and if one is slightly better than the other one, nobody can really notice it nor will it manifest itself as a problem in everyday life. People with little to no muscle on their bodies don't have "weaknesses" - they just need to start training, and all of these "imbalances" will even out in no time (providing you follow a right training plan, of course). |
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 02:12:50 AM » |
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Try to wash dishes when you have DOMS in your triceps  You don't even have to push anything, you use your triceps even when you are swinging your arms as you walk (extension part of elbows). |
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2009, 02:17:18 AM » |
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You don't even have to push anything, you use your triceps even when you are swinging your arms as you walk (extension part of elbows).
Heh, this one actually came to my mind, but I though Moon might object that you user your bicep as well when the arm is going forward. I currently have massive DOMS in my triceps but, luckily, a dishwasher as well. |
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2009, 02:39:10 AM » |
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You don't even have to push anything, you use your triceps even when you are swinging your arms as you walk (extension part of elbows).
Heh, this one actually came to my mind, but I though Moon might object that you user your bicep as well when the arm is going forward. I currently have massive DOMS in my triceps but, luckily, a dishwasher as well. Yeah but it explains you don't need skull crusher-type movements to use triceps  I have a couple favourite pans that I use everytime, and I don't want to turn the dishwasher on just for a couple pans everytime I wash them. It wastes a lot of time though  |
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2009, 06:47:36 AM » |
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You don't even have to push anything, you use your triceps even when you are swinging your arms as you walk (extension part of elbows).
Heh, this one actually came to my mind, but I though Moon might object that you user your bicep as well when the arm is going forward. I currently have massive DOMS in my triceps but, luckily, a dishwasher as well. Yeah but it explains you don't need skull crusher-type movements to use triceps I have a couple favourite pans that I use everytime, and I don't want to turn the dishwasher on just for a couple pans everytime I wash them. It wastes a lot of time though I still have to think that most of the things I do that require strength use my biceps. Even when i lift something heavy, i put my hands under it, squat down, lift up, and my arms are in a sort of static curl position. Of course, the triceps are needed, but I think the point is, they are not the main muscle you are using in a majority of your exercises? At least, that is what I got from this. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2009, 09:28:50 PM » |
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You don't even have to push anything, you use your triceps even when you are swinging your arms as you walk (extension part of elbows).
Heh, this one actually came to my mind, but I though Moon might object that you user your bicep as well when the arm is going forward. I currently have massive DOMS in my triceps but, luckily, a dishwasher as well. Yeah but it explains you don't need skull crusher-type movements to use triceps I have a couple favourite pans that I use everytime, and I don't want to turn the dishwasher on just for a couple pans everytime I wash them. It wastes a lot of time though I still have to think that most of the things I do that require strength use my biceps. Even when i lift something heavy, i put my hands under it, squat down, lift up, and my arms are in a sort of static curl position. Of course, the triceps are needed, but I think the point is, they are not the main muscle you are using in a majority of your exercises? At least, that is what I got from this. That's directly related to our modern lifestyle. But keep in mind that we've had this lifestyle only for a few thousand centuries (even though we modern humans appeared 200.000 years ago), and we have not significantly evolved since then (I'd say we are still designed for wild life). And during the evolution of humans (which took millions of years), our ancestors did a lot of movements that required heavy pushing. Our triceps are not genetically weaker and it is not supposed to be so, but our new lifestyles do change this rule. But as wolf said, most of us start training with weak muscles, so imbalances in strength are negligible and can be fixed easily by right training. It's not even only strength imbalances, most of us start training with mechanical problems, such as short hip flexors, which is most of the time caused by sitting for hours and keeping this habit for years, thanks to our modern lifestyle which we are not designed for. But in fact, we are not designed to sit for so long periods of time, or we are not genetically supposed to have short/inflexible hip flexors, but it happens. Genetics is one thing, but enviromental changes play a major role in our body type and behaviour. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2009, 09:20:32 AM » |
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You don't even have to push anything, you use your triceps even when you are swinging your arms as you walk (extension part of elbows).
Heh, this one actually came to my mind, but I though Moon might object that you user your bicep as well when the arm is going forward. I currently have massive DOMS in my triceps but, luckily, a dishwasher as well. Yeah but it explains you don't need skull crusher-type movements to use triceps I have a couple favourite pans that I use everytime, and I don't want to turn the dishwasher on just for a couple pans everytime I wash them. It wastes a lot of time though I still have to think that most of the things I do that require strength use my biceps. Even when i lift something heavy, i put my hands under it, squat down, lift up, and my arms are in a sort of static curl position. Of course, the triceps are needed, but I think the point is, they are not the main muscle you are using in a majority of your exercises? At least, that is what I got from this. That's directly related to our modern lifestyle. But keep in mind that we've had this lifestyle only for a few thousand centuries (even though we modern humans appeared 200.000 years ago), and we have not significantly evolved since then (I'd say we are still designed for wild life). And during the evolution of humans (which took millions of years), our ancestors did a lot of movements that required heavy pushing. Our triceps are not genetically weaker and it is not supposed to be so, but our new lifestyles do change this rule. But as wolf said, most of us start training with weak muscles, so imbalances in strength are negligible and can be fixed easily by right training. It's not even only strength imbalances, most of us start training with mechanical problems, such as short hip flexors, which is most of the time caused by sitting for hours and keeping this habit for years, thanks to our modern lifestyle which we are not designed for. But in fact, we are not designed to sit for so long periods of time, or we are not genetically supposed to have short/inflexible hip flexors, but it happens. Genetics is one thing, but enviromental changes play a major role in our body type and behaviour. So only one question.....how could anyone possibly know whether humans pushed or pulled more way back then. i would think that if we instinctivly picked things up and carried them today....we would have then als, using our biceps, legs and back. seems like aside from pushing a big rock (lol) what would they be pushing that we would not be pushing? |
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