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« on: November 18, 2009, 10:04:52 AM »

hi folks,

i feel a little lost about that so maybe someone around here made the same experience.
i´m lifting weights for a little more than two years now, having a small break of about 2 months in between.
while i´m doing some good progress i´ve come across a problem or two concerning my joints and tendons.

first of all, form isn´t the cause since i´ll move controllable weights slowly without jerking movements or using momentum. even the staff at the gym were a bit surprised when i started to train there.

a big thanks to scooby at this point, keep up the good work, your videos really help.

i rather fear that i´ve hit an overall plateau of what my body is able to endure without suffering from serious injuries.

the main issue i have are my shoulder joints. i´m already used to the noise they sometimes make when i rotate them, yet having constant pain in the right shoulder can´t be good. usually i feel them after chest exercises with dumbbells, specifically incline presses.

usually i would agree that taking it easy for a while would solve the problem and i already talked about that with my orthopedist.
what is quite discouraging though is the fact that even after weeks and weeks of high rep/low weight training the critical weight seems to be 45 pounds per dumbbell (when i start  h.i.t  again, it´s not my weight for high reps of course). no matter how long i let my shoulder recover, as long as i´m using 45 pounds everything is fine and pain free.

but a tiny increase to 50 pounds and voila a torn shoulder.

what puzzles me the most is the fact that even those 50 pounds are not that hard to push. i can do 6-8 slow reps with good form,no jerking no momentum, but my oh my, 24 hours afterwards my shoulder starts complaining for days to come.

so what to do ? mass follows strength right ? so no increase in weight equals no increase in muscle mass. of course health comes first but theres got to be a way to strenghten your shoulder joints and move on, or is it ?

hopefully you can give me an advice or two.

sincerely

a very pondering

ben
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 02:20:45 PM »

I don't know much about that but I can say that Ken Shamrock never really lifted that heavy and look at how big he was. (If he did, correct me. I have seen his workouts on videos and its usually light(for his size) weight, a lot of reps)
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2009, 02:51:31 AM »

thanks for the reply, but i already gave volume training a try. excellent for definition but i won´t gain much mass by that Sad

most gains came from h.i.t done mindfully ( no unreasonable weights ) and considerable recuperation time.

seems like i just have to stick to the weight for some months for my shoulder to heal up and get used to it.

again thanks for the tip.

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2009, 03:22:47 AM »

No need to do a weight that you can only do 6-8 reps with. Pick a lower weight that you can do 10 reps with for 3 sets. This is actually optimal for mass building, which I am assuming is your goal. Any gains you would be getting from lifting heavy are likely to be eclipsed by the setback of a shoulder injury.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 06:34:46 PM »

I didn't read all of your post.  But from what I read, you can do 45's easily, and 50's easily.  but when you do 50's it hurts your shoulders the next days.  Take a week off, do a little cardio, but no weights.  come back and see how it is going with the 50s.
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