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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 05:35:52 PM » |
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Me personally,I prefer squats, but I don´t use weights, only highreps( 2x500) then finish up with 10min of delayed squat(hockeyposition?),deep squats are supplemental exercises, and usually do about 4-500(i do them slow and delayed) in total.Ofc I have other exercises for legs too. To me all that"you need heavy weights and low reps to get big legs"is pure nonsense. then again I have done this for many years.
vs Personally I would never ever even consider doing squats without 2 spotters or 1 spotter and a squat rack. Obvious reason being: it is way too dangerous to squat heavy alone. Since squat is a compound exercise and so many muscles are involved I see absolutely no point in doing squats with "light weight" so either I have enough spotters or I won't do them at all. Instead I just work my legs and lower back in separate workouts.
Completely opposite opinions huh? Well, I can't say which one is a better idea: no weight with extremely high reps (definitely safe, but wouldn't build much strength), or high weight with spotter (still dangerous). But I can be sure about one thing: 500 reps of bodyweight squat is much more painful, my best attempt was 150 and my heart was jumping out of my chest - 5 reps of heavy weight squat is dangerous but require much less mental toughness. I would stick with 5 reps heavy weight. Since squat is a compound exercise and so many muscles are involved I see absolutely no point in doing squats with "light weight" I disaggree completely, I have NEVER used squats with weight, and have had great results. I do purely classic martial arts training on my legs. If you're talking about martial art, then doing 500 squats is not much better than doing low horse stance for 30'. And isometric build incredible strength. I agree that with 500 squat you have achieve respected gain. But still I guarantee that you cannot compete BB squat with someone who train heavy weight squat for the same amount of time. Strength and endurance are two different aspects and you can't excel in both, you can only excel in what you train for.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 05:57:59 PM » |
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If you're talking about martial art, then doing 500 squats is not much better than doing low horse stance for 30'. And isometric build incredible strength. I agree that with 500 squat you have achieve respected gain. But still I guarantee that you cannot compete BB squat with someone who train heavy weight squat for the same amount of time. Strength and endurance are two different aspects and you can't excel in both, you can only excel in what you train for.
Aggreed, but endurance is what I go for, same reason i jog with weights on my anckles etc Ofc I cant outpress someone who regurarly trains heavy bb squats, but lets see who can go longer with lower weights. For what i use my muscles for, my training is excellent. The way I train is a tested martial arts training method,and would never change it up for bb squats. And saying it doesn´t build much strength is wrong, its just a different type of strength. Then again, im no bodybuilder, just stating my opinion, not forcing it upon anyone else 
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 09:14:25 PM » |
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I'd definitely go for squats, but since Mike asked this question, no matter what most people say here, I know he'll not do free weight squats, maybe only with machines, which pretty much locks any natural movement the torso and knees are designed to execute, as well as eliminating all stabilisers, therefore I'll recommend lunges. Some people said lunges felt safer for them, yet I know many people who find lunges harder on joints, I could be one of them but I love both exercises and find them to work for different purposes (squats being superior), instead of showing them as alternatives to each other. Just like we divide upper body exercises 1. Horizontal pull 2. Horizontal push 3. Vertical pull 4. Vertical push 5. The rest, we could easily divide lower body exercises 1. Squats 2. Deadlifts 3. Lunges 4. Twist 5. The rest, which means all 10 categories should be in an average person's routine (What I mean by "the rest" is additional exercises, such as bicep curls, tricep extensions for the upper body, crunches, calf raises, leg raises, leg curls etc for the lower body. Which one of these exercises you choose to do depends on your view and personal needs. That's my classification though, not written on the stone. Personally I always do cleans too but our subject here is hypertrophy, not necessarily sports-based exercises). This does not mean you can't go anywhere without these basic exercises such as squats, but avoiding them and their variations is one of the ways to limit your potential very well. They're essential if you want to be as strong as you look, but if you want to look good but fragile like some valuable vase in a museum, go do leg extensions, it'd still work for hypertrophy (though not as fast as squats would). By the way I agree with wolf squats being harder for the taller, but after watching dwight howard doing heavy barbell squats, I believe everyone can do it 
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 10:12:52 PM » |
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dodo, what are twist exercises?
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2009, 10:25:53 PM » |
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dodo, what are twist exercises?
Woodchops, reverse pushups, russian twists, t-pushups, swiss ball rolls, lower body russian twists, etc. They have really big functional importance, both in real life tasks and all sports.
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 10:44:53 PM » |
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yes, i see. thanks!
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2009, 12:04:43 PM » |
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yes^^ my hamstrings are still dead from legs two days ago,i can barely even sit.
thats the exact same with me  im feeling the DOMs in my legs from sunday
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2009, 01:32:21 PM » |
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Well, I really think it depends on the person. It seems to be different for everyone. I usually sqaut with around 100 pounds, but I do not really feel my legs working as much as I thought they would. So squats are really not necessary to me at all. Ill prob get blasted for this though lol, since I know alot of people love squats and its worked wonders for them. For building big legs, I say 100000% do leg press. Thats where I got most of my quad size from. Ever since I started doing the leg press a few years ago, I noticed massive gains on my quads, it was this exercise that gave me my size. I find it to isolate the quad really well, and it a relatively safer exercise to perform also. If you dont have the machine to do it, scooby shows you how to make a simple one in his video, and make sure to follow his advices he gives about bending your knee.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2009, 08:00:24 PM » |
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I don't care much about big quad. I want the good feeling that squat give me though. I don't like Lunges as much because I feel too much burn on leg but don't feel the whole body tightness like in squat. (Does anyone have that feeling? Feeling like you are focusing strength your whole body to turn Supersayan or something  )
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2009, 08:07:30 PM » |
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Oh yeah, as stated before I do massive reps unweighted, but the last reps...thats sheer willpower, and tbh...to feel the massive pump in the legs after is kinda awesome lol   Actually considered doing barbell squats now just to try something different, could be interesting.
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2009, 08:16:29 PM » |
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Actually considered doing barbell squats now just to try something different, could be interesting.
Do the German Volume Training 10X10. Or if you will, do 20repsX10 (50% weight 1RM).
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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2009, 08:21:52 PM » |
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Do the German Volume Training 10X10. Or if you will, do 20repsX10 (50% weight 1RM). Might try both those actually, see wich one suits me. Thanks for the recommendations 
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2009, 08:31:13 AM » |
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Magnus whats your leg workout for martial arts?
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2009, 09:30:01 AM » |
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Well, I have various exercises that I mix and match, no set workout, just puts together a good workout before I start that day here are some I can remember on the fly: Good warm up, usually heavy bag 10min, then bike or skip rope for 10. I love squats usually go for 2x500, not always I make that last set all the way, but having to focus on counting helps alot. also use calf raises, i go til failure, then hold middle position for 10 seconds, 4 sets, this hurts so good  Use lunges from time to time, but never been a huge fan tbh.. Toe press & legpress are both static exercises for me, more about holding the weight and working on endurance. Use so heavy weights that I can only hold for 10-15 seconds, 4 sets each. I also do box jumps with weight vest. In addition, on legdays I run with weight on my legs or a weight vest.. After a legworkout I cant run very far, but the second you finish that run and you get the weights off...Feels like you can fly  ' Alot of stretching between exercises(dynamic) finish up after workout with static stretching. Sure i forgot something, going to check my workout journal later
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2009, 12:01:31 PM » |
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I prefer Lunges instead of Squats. Personnally, i dont like to do "hard" exercies for my legs, like Squats and Deadlift. I suffer in focus when doing those, and definitly prefer lunges and leg extensions for quads.
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