Sorry, but IMO that's ugly! I'd never want to look like that!

Good points. Keep in mind, there are a lot of women that aren't physically attractive to most people whether they pick up a weight or not, and the same goes with guys.

Ugly and attractive are whats called relative terms. They're just opinions and they vary from person to person, according to circumstance and position in life. Some rhetorical questions to consider before making a decision about someone’s opinion on someone they think is beautiful: If I say that girl #17 (no particular significance to the number) is attractive, but you disagree, does that cause you to think that I am wrong? The superficial answer is of course no. But the immediate reaction is different. And if I say that girl #17 is attractive, do I think that all women should be attractive in the same manner? Let’s say that I do. Would it make any difference if I told you that I don’t expect them to be?

A guy might say that the girl in one of these videos is hott...but something else to consider before you make your judgment is, exactly how hott does he think she is? Most guys do not think in terms of proportion, but that is exactly how they operate, and on top of this, they are attracted to more than one girl at any given moment.
 
People can be very picky about who they would want to see themselves with...and some of them give themselves a lot more room to be picky than they can afford. Truth be told, and more often than not, the person they are judging is more attractive than they are! If I am a guy who happens to be relatively unattractive, and I say that some girl is unattractive, who is actually more attractive than I am, then I am arguing for justice on the wrong side of the fence! Hellooooo…Wake up Decepticons!! In other words if you are a guy who is 60 lbs overweight, or is just way too old, you canNOT and are NOT allowed to say that britney spears is unattractive. Why? Because YOU are at least TWICE as ugly!!!And truth be told, most people over-estimate themselves anyway even if they themselves are unattractive...And for a fair enough reason I suppose…nobody wants to consider themselves as unattractive. They don't know however, that beauty is a term that they are entirely too foreign to and that is why they suffer the way they do, comparing themselves to someone else all the time, judging themselves so harshly.  Nowadays if you are not attractive, either physically, socially, or in any way shape or form, you are thrown to the side of the street like a menstrual rag. I can pretty much guarantee that any one of you would be very quickly humbled by your own opinion, if, following this discussion, we were all individually whisked away by some mystical force, to a deserted island, every person to his/her own island, with only one other person to share it with, who is of the opposite sex, and is by the way, extremely unattractive. All of a sudden, your opinion changes and you are not so picky. With an undefined lapse of time, she even becomes attractive and desirable. That woman who lifted too many weights, and added too much testosterone, and “decreased her femininity” starts looking very feminine and very attractive. Come on, be honest.
 
Also, let’s say that every guy in this forum thinks that the women in these videos are unattractive. Well, who's to say that the women in the videos are so willing to date you? If a relationship depended upon only one out of the two participants’ opinions about the other, then you would  have a lot more authority in what you say about female bodybuilders...and female anything for that matter. Truth is, the other person has a say in whether she wants to be with you or not. And anyone will tell you that reciprocation is key in any relationsihp.

And finally, where (and what for that matter), would you say is that line which a woman would cross in order to go from being ugly (as some would classify it) to beautiful?

That’s a difficult question but let’s just say for simplicity’s sake, that any woman with a generally fit body can be classified as beautiful. If she is overweight, then she needs to slim up and then she can be classified as beautiful. Can she really? You do know that eventually her skin will wrinkle and eventually she will become old and unattractive right? Okay so any woman with a generally fit body, who is proportionally aged with her potential mate, can be classified as beautiful. Can she really? Sure any guy would like to sleep with any girl like this, but does that make her beautiful? Probably not, since the same guy who says she is beautiful, is also willing to sleep with just about any other female on the planet whether she is as beautiful as her or not. But I’ve heard the fool beg and plead and vow “But I would be willing to spend the rest of my life with her!! I love her!! She’s so beautiful!!” Would you now? That’s called presumption and the fool falls for it all the time. The fact is that sex gets old real fast within the confines of a relationship, and it gets even older after marriage. After a short lapse of time, the only thing that remains is that sour attitude of the girl whom the fool had pledged to live his life with for the rest of his, simply because she was beautiful to him in that fleeting moment. And likewise for the woman... all she has is that sour attitude of the man who had pledged to love her for all time. But she didn’t know that he was led on by her skin deep beauty like a 500 lb man in a grocery store without anything to guide him but his hunger. Though the marriage doesn't end in divorce, the continued allegiance to marital vows degenerates into a rite of passage between the two for mutual peace. Again, beauty is a foreign concept to people and that is why the relationships which are based upon a false concept of beauty fail, and that is why relationships which otherwise could be, are not.

So, I’ve said my share for now I think…how about you guys tell me what beauty is…

Well you can be at east Goldie because I wasn't attacking your opinion. I was simply defending my own...


which was actually intended to encourage the women but i guess it kind of back fired on me...

If they get to body fat % that low healthily, I doubt there is any hormonal disturbances.

HOW they get their body fat that low isn't the issue; the hormone disturbances occur BECAUSE of the low body fat percentage.

When a woman comes here asking how she can get the most strength or the biggest muscles possible, she will receive advice on how to do so. But the majority of women looking into fitness are looking for ways to enhance their feminine attributes, just as their male counterparts try to with their masculinity.

From what I've seen I agree with the staement that when it comes to lower body women can build as well as men. Theres a decent athlete in my school, she looks like a stick, but when she wears shorts you can see her legs are killer, calfs and quads bursting out yet her upperbody barely exists.

Many guys are the complete opposite it to this including me, yah I got stick legs