Bloomberg New York Soda Ban, A Better Idea

Free Refills On Soda - Ban?I must applaud mayor Michael Bloomberg on bringing attention to this important issue! Although Im not in favor of his proposed ban, it will undoubtedly start all kinds of constructive discussions on this important issue. I think we can reduce the nations consumption of sugary beverages without this sort of ban by making sure they have healthy choices and the necessary information to find them. As I mention in my website, the #1 easiest way to lose weight is to eat your calories rather than drink them! Reducing peoples consumption of these nutritional hand grenades is a great way to attack our national obesity problem. Why don’t I think his proposal will work? Simple. My guess is that at least 75% of soda in the United States is sold in fast food restaurants and convenience stores like Seven Eleven where the soda is self-serve. In those places, you are given a large cup that you fill yourself. Once you get your Mega-Gulp cup, there is nothing at all preventing you from filling it with sugar coke instead of diet coke. Here is my counter proposal which I think would be far more effective and it contains four simple points:

  1.  Free water. Fast food restaurants will give free water to patrons but only hesitantly. Most often the free water is given in cups so small that its not worth the bother – fast food restaurants often give tinsy 6oz cups for water while handing out 64 ounce cups for sodas. I would enact a law that says that all establishments offering soda for sale must also give away free water of the same size as the largest soda. They would be able to charge up to 25 cents for the cup and ice, no more.
  2. Sorry,this is gonna hurt – NO FREE REFILLS. America is the only country on the planet with the endless tap, its time to cap it. Put the soda machines back behind the counter where they where they belong.
  3. New stricter labeling laws for sodas. Any cup larger than 16 ounces used to serve a soda would need the new enhanced nutritional label printed on its side and its size would need to be at least 2″ wide by 3″ tall. In addition to the standard nutritional label, it would contain my “one a day” section. It would be the following sentence, “If you drink one of these per day you will gain XX pounds fat in a year”. This is extremely important because when it comes to soda, many people drink 5-10x more than the “serving size”! Its fine to say a 2 liter bottle has 8 servings but probably most people will polish it off all at once. Its completely ridiculous that a can of soda is TWO servings, its ONE serving! This label would make it obvious to people why soda is hazardous to your wasteline! Just for example:
    • a 24oz coke would have to mention that 1 a day adds 31 pounds fat a year
    • a 64oz double big gulp of coke would have to mention that 1 a day adds 83 pounds of fat a year
  4. Happy meals and children’s packaged meals could only contain water or nonfat milk as the beverage.

Again, I applaud Mayor Michael Bloomberg for bringing this important issue to the forefront but I respectfully disagree with his proposal. I think that by giving people healthier choices and the necessary information, they can make good decisions on their own.

 

Below is the proposed nutritional label to be placed on all beverage cups for soda of larger than 16 ounce capacity.  Each capacity cup would have appropriate calorie and yearly fat gain properly indicated.  With clear labeling like this people would understand the obesity implications of their daily soda consumption and be able to make better nutritional decisions.

Proposed Nutritional Label For Sodas - Bloomberg NYC alternative

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Edit: June 3, 2012

Now a lot of you with sharp eyes have commented that the statement “If you drink one per day you will gain 41.5 pounds fat in a year” in the above label is a gross simplification.  That statement is of course technically incorrect because it depends on what else you eat! If all you had was that one soda a day, you would die of starvation and malnutrition, not get fat! To be technically correct I should have said:

“Consuming an additional 400 calories of sugar per day over your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) will result in gaining 41.5 pounds of fat per year.”

That statement is technically correct but it is long winded and it leaves many people scratching their head.  You have to ask yourself, who is the intended audience of these nutritional labels? Its certainly not nutritionists, doctors, or bodybuilders because they understand in no uncertain terms the nutritional and health implications of consuming 800 calories a day of sugar water.  These folks understand the above scientifically correct warning but they don’t need it because they already understand. No, the audience of my proposed new soda nutritional label is not the nutritional elite, its those who our educational system has failed.  Those people who have never heard of TDEE and don’t know how to read a nutritional label.  The same people who report that they “hardly eat anything” but yet continue to gain fat without realizing that its all the beer and coke they are drinking that is causing their obesity problem.     For this target audience who needs help, some simplification is required to get them the information they need to start losing weight.  We can’t provide a semester’s nutrition class in the one square inch available on the bottom of the nutritional label.  We need a simple can clear message about the nutritional ramifications of a one-a-day habit of drinking soft drinks.  Thats why I proposed the new simple label below because it could make the light bulb go off in millions of people:

“Oh, THATS why I gained 50lbs last year, its all the sugar in the double big gulp I drink every day.”

Proposed Nutritional Label For Sodas - Bloomberg NYC alternative

95 thoughts on “Bloomberg New York Soda Ban, A Better Idea”

  1. I think that the only mandate that both sides of the aisle can agree upon is to present the public with more information, and let the people decide on whether or not to down 400 calories of sugary sweets. Many people will argue that its not the government’s job, nor right, to police individuals on whether or not to down said sweets, and those same people would oppose any government-mandated ban on any product. All politics aside, I think that providing information to consumers is key, and that should start to make an impact on individual decisions.

  2. How about simply drinking Coke Zero that has 0 calories? Sure artificial sweeteners may cause cancer, but good old HFCS killed way more people than Aspartame

  3. While I agree that Big Gulps are horrible (I never drink sodas), I don’t think bans are the long term solution to America’s weight problem. I agree with Scooby that free water would be a huge benefit, but more than anything people have to get out of the mentality that, as a friend of mine once remarked, “life is a party”. I love life and I like to have fun, but sometimes hard work and sacrifice are a reward. Weight training has taught me that, and drinking a bunch of water feels good because I know what it is doing – hydrating me and making me stronger. A bit preachy, admittedly, but many Americans have fallen into a cycle of repeated sensation overload.

  4. The truth is people will find ways to do what they want to do. Instead of promoting the nanny state, why not SELL people on the BENEFITS of being healthy. You will not stop people from eating unhealthy no more than you will stop people from smoking, drinking or any other kind of activity. You have to use the Dale Carnegie method, make them WANT to do it.

    If they did ban a certain size drink, one could merely a) double up on another size, b) travel elsewhere or c) get it illegally.

    Again another Dale Carnegie principle, – Dramatize your ideas, though if I was a smoker, those anti-cigarette commercials are at least attempting to show people the danger of cigarettes, however you can’t beat people in the head, you have to present info in a way that SELLS them on your point of view.

    I say leave people the heck alone. Me personally I lost a gang of weight simply because I decided for MYSELF, not because of a government fiat, but because it was a goal I had for a while, and I sold myself on the benefits of being healthy.

    Pro health groups would be better off gathering their resources and make commercials and do better at putting their message out there.

    Excuse the rant, but it must be said!

    Take care everyone.

    Bill

  5. Hi scooby. Here in Spain we have some paces where they offer free refill. I only drink about 1/3L per two weeks. It can’t be so much is it? Of course it would be better nothing, but sometimes I can’t stay awake at the lab and I drink a coke (normal)

  6. I guess you could say ‘Drink one of these more than you need each day and you’ll gain 41lbs a year’
    Compromise between specificity and deceit.

  7. In our increasingly interconnected world in which we have instant access to googols of information, how do we know whom to trust? Also, though I haven’t read the entire proposal, on what is the money that’s raised from the tax going to be spent?

    Should we really confide in the government? That is, the ones who, despite knowing the fatal side effects (i.e., heart damage) of the weight loss drug fen-phen, approved the drug, which resulted in billions of dollars being spent resolving wrongful death and injury lawsuits. As we have clearly seen in the last half-century, the government can be bought, and because of this, among the many other boneheaded decisions that have been made by the government, it seems as if millions upon millions have recently adopted the don’t-tread-on-me attitude.

    Admittedly, to learn the basics of nutrition, someone probably only needs a high school diploma. The real crux of the problem, however, is that there’s just too much bad information out there, which comes in the form of yo-yo diet books, clever marketing, and so on.

    With the money raised from the soda tax, Bloomberg should distribute a small, easy-to-read nutrition book to every citizen in New York city. And if you choose not to edify yourself, well then, the fault is all yours!

    Otherwise, in Scooby we shall trust.

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      In general I dont like the idea of taxing food items, even if its for “junk food”, because its a regressive tax. In the case of smoking, taxing it heavily appears to have decreased consumption but would it work with sugar? If taxing sugar would decrease our national obesity problem then I would be for it but I dont think it would. I’m not sure if politicians could stomach taxing sugar enough that it would decrease consumption because sugar is so cheap. My guess is that you would need at least a 1000% tax before it would start making people think about reaching for an orange juice instead of a coke. Any politician who proposed a 1000% tax on sugar, even if it was to pay for nutrition classes in K-12, would probably find themselves the subject of a recall election. Dont mess with our refined sugar! Personally, I think THE SOLUTION TO OBESITY IS EDUCATION, NOT TAXATION :)

  8. “…nothing at all preventing you from filling it with sugar coke instead of diet coke.”
    Are you in favor of “diet” drinks over ones with sugar Scooby? I understand soda is bad for you (and I hardly ever drink it anymore and neither does my family), but are not artificially flavored drinks and foods worse for you than their “real” counter parts?
    Also, I think a video on that would be really interesting!

  9. Scooby_Werkstatt

    A number of you are bringing up the fact that my statement on the above label, “If you drink one per day you will gain 41.5 pounds fat in a year”, is technically incorrect. Of course it is because it depends on what else you eat! If all they had was that one soda a day, they would die of starvation, not get fat! I could have said “Consuming an additional 400 calories of sugar per day over your TDEE will result in gaining 41.5 pounds of fat per year”. That statement is technically correct but it is long winded and it leaves people scratching their head. The statement needs to be simple and blunt to be effective.

  10. Agreed with water should be more available, I like the treadmill idea too :D. The soda warning is grossly misleading, but I suppose alot of public health compaigns are.

  11. In Austria McDonald’s shifted to the free refilling a few years ago. Biggest cup you can get is 0.5 liter (about 17 ounces) as far as I know (I usually don’t go to McDonalds). BurgerKing does not have free refills. (These are the only two “burger-fastfood” franchises in Austria.) Aside from those two, there is KFC, but they only got 4 shops in Austria.

  12. here in belgium we don’t have much places with free refil, only two sorts of fast food restaurant witch does that,(as far as i know) and there isn’t water among the choises :-(
    and some truckstops at the freeway give free refils for coffee alone.

    (sorry for bad english, its not my main language)

  13. Simone Agostinetto

    Scooby math always puzzling :)
    You are assuming that someone is already eating at maintenance, and the soda adds on top of that, right?

    Instead of “You will add x lbs of fat” which is kinda questionable/misleading you could just slam “this product contains 109 grams of sugar” on the label. Given the latest fructose craze you have over there it might be more convincing.

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      I dont think its misleading at all, that amount of calories is the equivalent of that of fat. Of course if the *only* think they consumed was one 64oz coke every day, all year long then they wouldnt be fat, they would be skinny and DEAD. People got equally irate when I did something similar with beer consumption equating two beers a day to a certain amount of fat a year.

  14. This article is just crazy…You should raise a tax against soda’s lobbies as we did in France for public healthy reasons (espescially to protect the young people against sugar addiction and obesity; for instance sodas are forbidden in schools’ restaurants). And by the way, It’s quite better to drink wine with moderation…

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      “soda” is one of many terms referring to carbonated beverages, others are;

      sodapop
      soda
      pop
      soft drinks
      fountain drink

      I’m sure there are other terms I am missing as well.

  15. Don’t Tread On Me Bloomberg! If you want to do something that hurts you then it’s ur choice. Maybe we should put a ban at the bar saying that you can only have 2 beers then you have to have water, or a ban on fastfood you can only eat it once a week you have to input ur social security number at the drive up window. Obviously I am exaggerating, but I hate the way with each passing year America becomes less and less democratic and more and more fascist. I mean there is a law that makes u buckle your seat belt come on! I do think scooby has 2 good points here though. The water should be offered in a cup equal to a soda and be available at the tap, and the kids meal point. The thing is with kids they can’t make their own choice yet, but at the same time I don’t think a kid should be completely banned from soda with their happy meal. I myself eat very healthy now a days, but maybe 3 or 4 times a year I’ll visit a fast food restaurant and when I do I usually biggie size it get a huge Chocolate shake go to town, and almost always I get a stomach ache the next day. So the choice has its own consequence.

  16. We have free refills in the uk too.

    Regarding nutritional facts I notice that a lot of bottled drinks say “per serving 250ml”, when the individual bottle is 500ml and people treat that as one serving. I have been misled by this before as I’m sure others have, but I think anything that is a single serving should give nutritional information from the whole bottle. Having said that I find it best just to avoid all sugary drinks now.

  17. I like the idea Scooby, its along the lines of educating people not trying to control what they do. Its like the big messages about cancer they have here in Australia on cigarette packets. I’d have a variety of messages, “This drink has no nutritional value”, “This drink does not form part of a healthy diet” etc.

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      Some contries have graphic photos of some horrible health problems which can occur when smoking, Americans dont have the stomach for that. Perhaps we should be forced to look at those photos when smoking .. or drinking our 64 ounce, 800 calorie sugar bomb soft drink? A photo of a clinically obese person on every cup?

  18. Some people think that it’s unconstitutional to prohibit or limit food sales. However, others want to limit food sales because it’s hurting people and ultimately killing them. Well, it’s illegal to commit suicide; so, technically, that should be unconstitutional too then.

  19. In canada we have the endless tap in most restaurants too, so america isnt alone, and even when the machine is behind the counter, you can just ask the person to refill your cup, and not only will they refill it, they usually get you a new cup, which increases garbage too.

  20. They should put a prohibited high price (by taxes) in cups bigger then 500ml. Like cigarettes. Locate the machines back in the counter and NO REFILL. Soda would be so expensive, you’d think twice on overdrinking it.

  21. “If you drink one per day you will gain 41.5 pounds fat in a year”. I think it should be changed to: “If you drink one per day you might gain up to 41.5 pounds fat in a year”. Also, I believe in nany restrictions only for children. Adults should be informed corectly but should be free to choose. These days the problem is manipulation and lack of transparency, not a lack of responsability.

  22. I might drink a root beer 8 ounce cup at work every week or so. that being said, i used to be very addicted to soda. at one point i was drinking 18 cans a day. finally got off of it a year ago. went through withdraws from it. I’d get headaches, be tired all the time, crave it. Hated being addicted to something altogether.
    i no longer have energy spikes throughout the day followed by a crash. and i dont get sick once a month anymore either.To be honest, if it was banned completely, id be happy because then thats one less thing to make americans look like the “fat” country of the world. Not the stereotype I’d prefer to have to other nations is the soda chugging, fast food gorging, triple XL country.

  23. Yea.. I never got that.. I ask for water and they give me a tiny ass cup to drink it! I’ve even asked for a bigger cup and I get the weirdest look… as if water is costing them anything .. especially compared to what they make on a soda.

    I don’t have the evidence in front of me, but I know McDonalds and other’s profit comes from soda.. it costs them rough 3-5 cents per cup and they charge $1-2 for it… guess that would kinda explain the dirty looks you get :)

  24. I dont want any prohibition of governments forcing any business to do anything. The reason people are unhealthy is not because of free refills and its only partly due to people not reading and understanding labels. The real reason people in America are unhealthy is because they are lazy and because of high fructose corn syrup in foods instead of sugar. Educating people simply doesnt help, its the mindset of individuals that needs to change. Dont expect government healthcare, dont force employers to provide healthcare to their employees. People largely live unhealthy lifestyles because the immediate effects are handle through social programs controlled by the government. The immediate effects being healthcare costs. People will always be unhealthy until they change the way they think about health and actually have to take responsibility for their unhealthy actions. Education is only part of it, the way they think is the biggest problem. People simple rely on government programs to take care of their medical needs, why live healthy if healthcare is free? Most people will never look at the long term effects of a longer happier life, that coke tastes to good to stop and think about it right now.

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      I’m willing to bet that if you took 100 obese people and asked them the following multiple choice question, that none of them would get it right.

      If you drink a 30oz Coke every day, how much weight would you gain in a year?

      a) 5 pounds
      b) 15 pounds
      c) 30 pounds
      d) 40 pounds

      I’m willing to bet these people have no idea the number of calories and how it compounds over a year of consumption.

  25. I think the problem is the education system. We learn far too much nonsense in school, and not enough about our own bodies. In cooking class i took in high school, we cooked with trans fat, loaded everything with salt and sugar, and prepared food in unhealthy ways. I don’t agree with banning soda, but I think if anyone was properly informed how terrible soda is for you, they’d never even want to drink it again. I completely stopped drinking soda before I even worked out or cared about my body just because how bad all that unnatural sugar is for you, Im sure if other people knew they’d care too.

  26. David Williamson

    How about putting the free refills dispensers at the end of a 20ft long moving walkway that moves away from the beverages at 10mph, then anyone too big to manage more than a jog will never be able to reach the refill.

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      Public water fountains, love it. How about ones that squirt more than 1/4″ so that people dont have to suck on them like a nursing bottle to get water out. Seems half the time I try to drink out a fountain its adjusted to a dribble.

    2. Taxes hit entire families, not just the consumer sadly.

      Seen it with the ciggarette tax, Mommy and Daddy smoke, junior gets a cheap Christmas and very few vacations growing up, if not an impaired college fund.

      Not to mention Asthma, impaired stamina&health from secondhand smoke floating about the house but that’s another issue entirely.(Although it is an issue that needs seriouse attention from congress and the public)

  27. I think it’s a good idea.
    Hard to hide anyway, that you will get fat by consuming these kinds of stuff.
    But possibly useful, especially in America. (no offence)

    But what is ounces? :D
    I no speak Americano, me am European.

    And yeah, obesity a good deal for health institutes, pharma companies and gyms, so I think it won’t be on the articles.

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      Why in ounces? Because soda as a cause of obesity is pretty uniquely American. I know Europe is close on the heels of America when it comes to obesity but the causes are different in Europe. Europe doesnt have double big gulps nor does it have endless free refills on high calorie sodas.

          1. It would certainly scare you hafl to death; while american weightlifting sounds impressive “oh I can bench 400 lbs” their volume scales are rather wimpy. An ounce, a gallon. Doesn’t sound like much. A Gallon is almost 4 thousand ml; 8 oz is around 500 ml so half a litre.

  28. I gotta say the USA is not the only country with free refills, here in Spain several franchises offer it as well (Foster’s Hollywood for instance). But here they use 8 oz glasses, you can’t get a 64 oz cup (holy mother of god, almost 2 litres!) anywhere. Great post anyway, it’s amazing how people doesn’t realise the huge ammount of sugar these sodas have.

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      8 ounce cups is more civil :) At least then anyone who wants to drink 64 ounces of sugar has to do the walk of shame to the soda fountain EIGHT times :)

  29. I sounds nice but I would be willing to bet it won’t work. This country’s population is dumb down. Didn’t you say America ranks 35th or something in education. Do you really think the label on cigarettes packages as helped kids from smoking? I see fat young people smoking their brains out all the time.
    The only people that will listen are people who are concerned about their health, like us. BTW the government stands to lose revenue when you try to prevent people from getting sick. Shame on you Scooby for wanting to hurt the health care industry and Pharma…

  30. actually scooby, America isn’t the only country with free refills, here in the UK taco bells have started popping up and they have free refills, although they’re the only one’s to do it as far is I know

  31. i live in canada and i think our standard drink sizes for fast food are 8oz, 16oz and 24oz for small, medium and large in a lot of places. I’ve never seen a large over 32oz. The main problem is that these enormous 64oz drinks are a regular thing on the menu. I think the best way to get the information across would be to change the names of the sizes so people know that anything over 24oz inst a large, it’s just a ridiculous amount of pop. introduce new names of 2XL for that kind of thing

  32. There is a way around this ban, lets not kid ourselves. He is only banning drinks which are over a certain amount of ounces, this does not prevent someone buying two drinks at one time! However I think (hope) Mr. Bloomberg is trying to raise an issue and hoping that he can rise the price of soda drinks by doing this… at least this is a start but not conviced like you.

    Things worth considering….

    Our individual rights, eventually infringe on community health which effects us all. I went into this into more detail responding to one of Scooby’s comments (his horrible thought) in the discussion Solving America’s Obesity Problem.

    Some may argue that… If we are going to pay for obese peoples health care we have a right to tell him/her what he can eat and drink… Surely!

    Allowing food corporations to self-regulate has not only been ineffective but in some instances dangerous… We need government to regulate them, they represent US. More importantly, us the citizens of the world should be getting involved in politics so we know what’s really going on and know that they actually do represent us.

    “Imposing legislation to tax unhealthy foods is long overdue” Majority of leading doctors/surgeons in the UK have been saying this for along time…. Personally I would go one step further.

    Not allowing children to bring junk food to school should be a policy introduced across the board.

    The Department of Health should ban vending machines selling chocolates, fizzy drinks and crisps from hospital grounds and leisure centers.

    Perversely in the UK, the Tory-led coalition is seeking the assistance of fast-food and drinks corporations to help draft strategy in public health reforms. The idea is to replace state intervention with private and corporate action. Public health leaders have emphatically called for the health and social care bill to be dropped, as they rightly believe this callous and inept strategy will take us backwards in tackling one of the greatest health challenges facing the west. Why would they want to do this????

    Education is very important but not the only answer. If it was, we would not need laws!

    1. The Tories think that if we legislate like Americans then magically and without reason our economy will suddenly explode upwards thanks to those lovely, socially and morally upstanding business executives who will create jobs instead of pocketing the money and power for themselves: and the World will all be well. They tend to forget about minor things like inequality, civil rights, the influence of unchecked power and social responsibility. Corporations are not the answer to all our problems, but no one told David “Thatcher” Cameron.

      RANT OVER. Wasn’t this a bodybuilding site…?

  33. Very, VERY good Scooby! :-) Once people realize that sugary sodas is their main reason to being overweight maybe they could make the change themselves? Just need to get the information out there.

    Your phrase “eat your calories rather than drink them” is probably the best tip ever when it comes to loosing weight. I tell it to everyone I talk to regarding training and weight loss.

    Greetings from Sweden!

    1. Scooby_Werkstatt

      I’m guessing that this one gem would help these obese people the most! If they just made sure that they only chewed their calories rather than drinking them, they would lose weight.

  34. Needless to say this bill is grossly unconstitutional and morally bankrupt, but at least the lawmakers are acknowledging a problem. A better way to decrease soda intake would be to stop subsidizing corn and sugar crops.

    1. I agree about subsidizing corn syrup, thats idiotic! We dont need to ban sodas, we just need to make sure that plain old water is available in proper quantities and that the labeling is sufficient that people understand how many calories they are drinking and how much weight it will make them gain each year. If they still choose to suck down the double big gulps and get fat, they are committing slow and painful suicide :(

  35. Non fat milk doesn’t necessarily mean healthy milk. That shit’s worse than full cream.

    I would say water or juice.

    Plus with all this put into place I don’t think people going to fast food places to eat greasy burgers are gonna want to drink water. These people clearly don’t care about their health.

    In Australia McDonald’s try to give healthy options, but it’s still McD’s – Processed shit.
    http://mcdonalds.com.au/our-food/menu/#/happy-meal

  36. Restricting choice is wrong. Even if it’s the wrong choice. Sugar has a societal damage which costs money, so just tax sugar! Tax it at the source. When it’s turned into high fructose corn syrup. Tax it heavily so all sugary foods made from it are no longer desirable due to price.

    Even in Australia it costs more for orange juice and about the same cost for a bottle of water at macdonalds. This shouldn’t be the case!

    1. “Restricting choice is just wrong.” No, it’s not. Soda didn’t have to be invented in the first place, but it was and people latched onto it. Taking it away is no different than taking away a baby’s pacifier after he/she has grown out of it.

      1. That analogy is flawed, it’s absolutely different. Banning soda, as you’re suggesting, is completely unconstitutional. What gives you the right to tell someone what they can and cannot do?

        People have the right to make whatever choice they want to (as long as it doesn’t infringe on anyone else’s personal liberties or safety). That’s what being in a free country is all about. What we can do is educate people so that they make good choices rather than bad ones. As Eamonn said, we can also use taxation to limit consumption.

    2. I’m disturbed by the number of people on here saying just tax, just tax. That’s all fine and dandy to you because youre thinking well I never buy this stuff so what’s it to me. What it is is this government taking more of the people’s money to spend on things that are not helping us. Make a tax fine but take that tax revenue and divide evenly among all the people who don’t drink soda. Obviously that’s impossible, but my point is don’t take money from the people and give it to the government that’s unconstitutional.

      1. Sure we have to be blatantly pro freedom because anything less is evil. Let’s legalise meth and not tax it because that’s pro choice and therefore correct.

        “What it is is this government taking more of the people’s money to spend on things that are not helping us.”

        This is silly, tax revenue could absolutely be used to help everyone with regards to this issue. Improve PE classes, begin teaching children about proper nutrition, construct bike paths along the sides of major roads, fuel the healthcare system that has to deal with the costs of obesity..

        Republicans have about a third of your nation completely brainwashed to the degree that your arguments just sound silly! How is investing money in your children and your own public systems and healthcare “giving money to the government”. Completely asinine..

    3. Scooby_Werkstatt

      Its tough call and I’m glad its not my decision. The whole “sin-tax” or “junk food tax” is tough. Its clear with tobacco, thats a true sin so pretty much everyone can agree on that. You cant use the “its good for you in moderation” argument with tobacco. With alcohol, its not so clear. Quite a lot of research has been done showing that alcohol in moderation might be very good for the health, so why are we taxing it like its a sin? Well, its easy to abuse. As you get into things like taxing sugar or “bad fats”, its even more difficult to justify their villain status. Whats worse, sugar or artificial sweeteners? Can that be proven without a shadow of a doubt? Good luck with that. Who gets to decide whats junk food and whats not? We cant even decide for sure if soy is good for you or not and people have been eating that for centuries.

  37. I agree with all of it.

    This kinda reminds me of that documentary “Super Size Me” with the Mc Donald’s 3 meals all days for 3 months fella (was it more months? don’t remember). Sugar in sodas is excessive, shouldn’t there be a limit for sugar?

    Mexico is the number one worldwide soda consumer. Everytime and everywhere you decide to eat, there will ALWAYS be someone drinking a coke, no wonder why is it that we are number one in child obesity.

    1. We are number one just recently; 30 years ago when I attended elementary school the fat kids were one or two in a group of 40; go look at kids under 12 today, there are like 6 out of ten clearly fat kids, a couple just chubby and the rest are real skinny; all of them are malnourished and have bad eating habits. I recall the unhealtiest food you could buy in a school’s cooperative was PEANUTS.

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